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For Digital Imaging products, I monitor our forums and social media communities to help our customers get the answers, tips and tools they need to be successful with our software. I’ll be keeping an eye out for inquiries from you, but the following are some questions I thought the community, specifically might have.Q: I’m a photographer, I only use Photoshop and don’t really need to use any other applications in Creative Cloud.
What are my options if I just want Photoshop CC?A: A Creative Cloud is available at a special introductory price of $9.99 per month (with an annual commitment) for our loyal customers who currently own Photoshop CS3, CS4, CS5 or CS6. I think you can just install CS6 if you decide not to use CC.The license will not be cancelled (as far as im told).They will still sell the boxed versions of CS6 for those who require the previous licensing.This is also a real treat if you work with like 3-4 computers. You can install CS6 on some of them, and then use CC on the ones you use for daily work.That’s what I’ll do at least.It’s not against the license to use the two different software’s as they are licensed for each collection of software versions. Hi,I have Photoshop CS6 (box version) and as a photographer thats usually all I need. Thanks.I’m confused about the pricing of new CC subscriptions in EURO.Based on your exchange rate $9,99 is €12,29, $19,99 is €24,59.But by the official exchange rate $9,99 is about €7,64 and $19,99 is about €15,28. Thats a huge difference.Would you mind to explain this to me?As a photographer I just use PS. I’m really confused that, even you’ve this new single-app offer, the costs over time are massively increased from classic 18-24m update to current yearly CC costs.What is the reason for that?
I’m not a finance/accounting person, but I can point you to this in the Creative Cloud FAQ ( ) that I’ve referenced above:Why is the value-added tax (VAT) that Adobe applies to my purchase different than my local tax rate?For Europe, Adobe charges a consistent Europe-wide VAT of 23%. As a company incorporated in Ireland, Adobe is required to charge the Irish VAT of 23% for sales on Adobe.com.
Note that for Europe, prices on Adobe.com are currently displayed inclusive of VAT.In 2015, the regulations are expected to change, and we’ll be able to charge VAT based on the customer’s location. For example, a UK customer will pay 20% VAT, a German customer 19% VAT, and so on. Hi Ads,If you read the the Creative Cloud FAQ, there’s a section in there about file compatibility with older versions:With Photoshop, we always try to maintain backwards compatibility with our file formats – allowing users to open the files with visual integrity and/or some level of edit-ability. PSDs can be saved with Maximum Compatibility such that almost any application can open them with full visual integrity. Raw files are of course read only, but DNGs are completely open and can store all the metadata edits done with our software, as well as a rendered/processed version of raw data.Do you live in Africa? Once you download and activate, you can work offline for up to 99 days (plus a 7 day grace) between needing to be online to validate your software.
See this FAQ topic:– Jeff. “allowing users to open the files with visual integrity and/or some level of edit-ability.”Key phrase being ‘some’ – ie adobe controls how much editability I have over my files if I stop my subscrption and go back to my perpetual version.“Do you live in Africa?
Once you download and activate, you can work offline for up to 99 days (plus a 7 day grace) between needing to be online”My last Africa assignment was 6 months – most camps didn’t have electricity(I had to use the car to charge my laptop and batteries) let alone coffee shops with free wifi. Here’s a hint – REAL photographers aren’t hipster programmers hanging out in Starbucks as your staff seem to think we all are.This model is useless to wildlife and documentary photographers, no to mention being DOUBLE the price of current upgrades – and all with zero support. Have you ever tried to contact Adobe customer service? It is utterly abysmal in my experience, and whether I can use my software or not is totally dependent on Adobe granting me special permission – so I have to put my business in their hands – if they say no I’m screwed.Not to mention Adobe are effectively saying ‘people from Africa, we don’t want you as customers’PS – I don’t care that Jeff wasn’t pesonally responsible for this change – he and the other mods are simply ignoring legitimate concerns. I have Photoshop CS6 (box version) and as a photographer thats usually all I need.
I’d like to agree with some of the above discontent on this new ridiculous system, to think everyone that has continual internet access is totally assine. I’m so upset I don’t have real words to articulate the way I feel.
Other than angry. Somewhere about you said that “Photographers, particularly photo-enthusiasts, are looking for a more tailored offering that focuses on their particular needs.” I love that you’r tailoring a program used by pros for may years to the “photo enthusiasts” What the heck??
Sounds like an excuse to drop the bar on quality or content. Also There is no longer an option for the student rate on the desk top version. I guess I’ll be shopping for another program to use or dropping back to my elements 5.0 hahaha at least it’s not a continual drain on my bank account.For the record this I tried your version of CS6 and loved the RAW features, got excited to buy it at a student price and when my trial was up all of those options were gone, Just frustrating. What about the files which I’ve created with a future CC product (e.g. In three years). I cannot save all files duplicted in CS6 format for backward compatibility.What does mean “some level of edit-abiltiy” exactly? This is verry unspecific.However, if I have a PSD with a lots of work With the classic CS6 I can still open it in five years with may CS6 with full edit-capability.
With CC, when I stop subscription in three years, I’m not longer able to open and edit it (without limitation) in five years again. I must more or less do all work again.The new subscription model restricts me in use of my work done and intelectual property created with PS CC after I discontinue the subscription. That sounds a little bit like robbery. Overall, from what I’ve seen, this doesn’t appear to be a good deal for photographers that only use LR and PS.
I think I’ll hold off and see if they come up with a more reasonable deal. $20/month for PS and LR I might consider, but not $20/month for Photoshop.BTW, almost everyone else has a discount for paying for the subscription once a year rather than billing monthly. It doesn’t seem like Adobe does.Overall, the cloud licensing doesn’t appeal to me. It might be time to start looking at some of the alternative software verndors. Hi Bob,Thanks for your feedback.Did you see the deal for Photoshop for $9.99 for existing customers?:We’ve heard there’s a lot of interest in a photographer’s bundle or photography cloud solution and we’re actively exploring offerings we can potentially create for you. I appreciate your feedback around what you would like to see that fits your workflow needs.
Hopefully we can put something together for you that would fit your needs in terms of the right products, right services for the right price for photographers.Cheers,– Jeff. I’m a bit confused on the single app price. Above, you indicate $10 per month for an owner of Photoshop CS6. But the link you provide says $20 per month.Even $10 per month adds up fast for some of us on a fixed income. I’ve used Photoshop since 2.5.1, and now use CS6. Some of the new features in CC — camera shake compensation, improved smart sharpening, improved upsampling — look attractive, and getting the features in Extended is a bonus, but the subscription pricing model — the perpetual payment model — strikes me as a burden.(As for Lightroom, well, I’ve tried it and find it cumbersome and hard to work with.). Jeffery – can PS not offer some kind of something for us poor amateurs who don’t do photography for a Business but still love all the workings of the CS ones!!
I Love PS, but can’t afford it and don’t Need it per say since i don’t make any money off of it! Is PS really Only interested in professionals???i have had LR 3 for a long time, but still haven’t figured out a lot of it and i like my Old elements 7 better than the new one i did a trial on.if there was something priced more reasonably for us (and no, elements is Too basic why can’t we have all the good stuff too) – if prices were where we could afford them, then i am betting you would see a lot less stealing – there would be no need to and you would be selling a LOT more!!! Me and a bunch of my friends would buy it today, so i Know there is a bigger market if i know so many just in my circle of friends. Mark,Some of us don’t mind being 3 years behind.
I’m an illustrator who works digitally in Photoshop. I don’t need every single cutting-edge feature in every new release, typically the brushes and other tools that have suited me fine for years already will continue to do so. I don’t like being forced into ugrades I don’t want, for a higher price than I would otherwise be paying to upgrade at my own pace.It’s essentially like an art supply store telling you: “You can’t buy a paintbrush from us, but you can rent one! And we’ll charge you to buy a new one every year whether you really need a new one or not!
Isn’t that great?”I don’t understand why Adobe feels the need to limit us to subscription-only as opposed to offering options, unless they’re trying to milk more money out of those of us who don’t upgrade as often as they’d like. I have arrived at the point (also reflected by many) that for over 20 years I have bought, up-graded and used Adobe products. I really miss the days whereby the purchase of software contained 1 CD, Tutorial CD/DVD, hard copy manual (Great to get an overview and understanding without having to be attached to a screen.I did an assignment in Timor-Leste a few years ago,. No POWER most of the time! “Cloud with little control” I’m not keen!
Adobe are greedy and robbing customers.the worst customer service in the world, impossible to get thru.no respect for customers.I am disgusted with subscription only.I hope that all your CC software is pirated and cracked all over the world. Nothing lasts forever and Adobe are assisting in their own demise by ripping off customers so blatantly. Look at Apple, sliding fast into the abysss vs Samsung.A new company is going to invent a new photo editing program which will be affordable and will kill Adobe and i for one will be onside with them, i might even help it all happen.So Jeff, instead of all your clever answers how about getting Adobe to listen to their customers and do what THEY want, not just what Adobe want to make billions of dollars.
If your customers hate you, they will not pay. Not a good deal? Photoshop had an approximate 18 month life before a new version came out. CS6 cost $700.00 and extended is $1,000.00 (you get extended in the cloud) Upgrading from Standard 5 to 6 is $200.00. Upgrading Extended is $400.00. 18 mo of Extended in the cloud cost $240.00 (12 mo at $10.00 + 6 mo at $20.00).
There is nothing to say a new version would be the same pricing so only you can determine if $240 – $360 is fair. But you get more than just PS and you get constant updates of features that you would have to wait and buy a new version to get.I’m not a fan of a monthly outlay myself but that is easier for a lot of people than coughing up $700 – $2500 new purchase and $200 –?? For an upgrade – depending on the product.
People pissing and moaning and threatening to take their business elsewhere isn’t going to change Adobe’s mind. Look around – Office 360, Corel etc. Everyone is going to the cloud model. CD drives are going the way of 5″ floppies.
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The future is passing you by – you can grab on or eat dust. Cheryl, how long have you been working for Adobe? I consider myself a pro-Amateur as I use CS2 at work (I work in a large International corp’s it dept and do a lot of training and PAO work). I also have a side business restoring/retouching photos. CS6 fits my needs wonderfully while CS2 at work just makes things harder but works.Maybe you need to wake up and smell the roses, this rent-a-software hustle rankles approximately 90% of Adobe’s user base.It’s ashame that Adobe, who historically has listened to its user’s needs and wish lists should go down this road. Are they really hurting for money or is it just corporate /stockholder greed?
Adobe seems hell bent to force their users into subscription licensing. As the cost of high quality software drops everywhere else and with it, better and more customer friendly piracy controls, Adobe would do well to remember how they bested Quark. They did it not, at first, with a superior product but with superior treatment of their customers.Because Quark’s customers were so alienated by Quark’s customer hostility customers were willing to switch to the, at the time, obviously inferior InDesign.Adobe is on the road to becoming the “new Quark” and it will be interesting to see what products evolve to make Adobe as marginal in the future as Quark is now.Flying Meat (with whom I have no affiliation) makes a very nice image editor I won’t name or link to from here out of deference to Adobe being the owner of this blog.– Jon.
I don’t get the whole cloud economic idea. Sure it makes it easier for Adobe software developers to write basically one big code base. But that efficiency and cost savings should be passed on to users.
Why should I have to pay for the apps I don’t need? Computers are terrifically smart and could figure out the ratio of the apps used to the total apps in the cloud.
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What about seniors? Baby boomers are retiring and will be computer graphics smart, but they don’t have commercial needs or budget. I use Dreamweaver for the web, Premiere Pro and After Effects for video, Flash to support my previous addiction, and Photoshop since 1991.
Bridge is essential too. The rest is clutter.
That’s my complaint. My question is does the cloud have a trial period, say in a year or when I feel I might desperately need new features? Just as a note to pass on then: I know multiple users of Photoshop. Several of them are pros. We were all discussing this topic since yesterday.
Not one of them is going to go with the new subscription model. One said he’ll just use his PS 5 version until it stops working one day and the others say they’ll switch to Elements and just add third party plugins to it to add whatever features they need.Short of it: Elements is going to cause Adobe to LOSE money on this new system, and if you try to cannibalize Elements in retaliation of it, folks will just switch to other offerings from other software makers.If you stuck with the $9.99 per month plan you’d possible get a lot more people to sign over but that, “After the first year it doubles” bit sorry. You lost me, too. It would be prudent of Adobe to keep Photoshop as one of the perpetual license programs. Why these ones and not PS? What is the distinction?Freelance illustrators using Photoshop don’t need yearly upgrades the way a Flash games studio might require the latest version of the software. The majority of people I’ve seen unhappy with this decision are fellow freelancers (illustrators and photographers).
You guys need to take a closer look at your customer base to see what your customers really want and need, and reconsider this decision.Unless this is just about milking more money out of us who prefer not to upgrade as often, in which case, I am perfectly happy to search for an alternative solution that doesn’t require a monthly subscription just to create my digital art. I have wanted cs6 for a very long time, but am Just an amateur who wants to do more with my pix. I have struggled to get to a point i could afford it, but i certainly cannot afford $20/m!!i have LR 4 that is complicated to learn! And an elements that i haven’t been able to find my licensing key for for ages, since i bought it over 10 yrs ago when i only had one computer anyway and that computer isn’t one i ever use due to so little RAMit is my opinion that if adobe ps were not so money hungry and charging sooooo much in the first place, there would be More people getting it Legally and stealing would greatly decrease because then the simple folks like me would be Able to afford it in the first place!!
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I know Lots of people that would Jump on getting it at a REASONABLE price. Seems to me they don’t really care about anyone But the ‘professionals’ as the Only people i know with any of the CS ones are ones that have a business in photography. Please make us poor amateurs an offer!!!!!!! I’m not a hipster creative and don’t hang out in coffee shops. Adobe is forcing us into this model without any other choice except purchasing CS6. Then they will dangle new features that are only available in the cloud to try and force us into choosing CC.
Not going to happen here. I’m taking bets with other photogs on how soon Adobe changes course and doesn’t force us into CC. I cannot wait for them to eat crow.
Just make a superior product and stop trying to screw those of us who use this software for our business and livelihood. So let me get this rightYou want to charge $20/mo for a subscription when purchasing an annual license, or $30/mo for a month-to-month license?To upgrade Photoshop from one version to another on the old “perpetual license” system, it was $200, and this occurred every 18-24 months.$200 / 18 = $11/mo to have a perpetual license for Photoshop, after the initial investment of purchasing the original copy.So, basically, you’ve doubled the cost to loyal users who have been using this product for a longer period of time and would want to upgrade.This makes perfect since. Piss off enough customers with a subscription license that they’ll bail as loyal customers, but raise the prices enough to compensate for that loss of revenue stream. Smart move, Adobe!